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New Summit in 2018?

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I'd like to upgrade to a summit, but noticed that they have several updates on the genesis 2 this year (new burner design, igrill 3, etc) but the summit hasn't been revised in several years.

Has anyone heard if or when they will have a new Summit with the updated components?   If it's 2018 I think I can manage with my existing  grill till them.

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I'd be very mindful of many things in a so called upgrade to the line. The Genesis "upgrade" IMO was more downgrade. Yeah sure you can get lighted knobs, and 6 burner models. But mind that Weber was bought out by Black & Decker who will notoriously cheapen and degrade everything they touch. Witness Stanley and Snap On companies and so on. They'll be shifting everything to China as they have with the Genesis line. I'll bet $$$$ to donuts you will soon see a very similar B&D grill being produced at a much lower price point but nearly identical to product(s) with a Weber name plate

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I didn't know about B&D buying Weber, but I completely agree with your assessment, hood.  I've looked closely at the "upgraded" new Genesis and see nothing at all to tempt me to switch out my Genny.  The new models are cheap all around and I don't see the design improvements the Genesis got in 2012 that led me to switch out my two-year-old three burner.  I've always been happy with that upgrade and think any Summit "upgrade" would NOT be advisable.  

Frankly turtle, given the B&D purchase, I would be more inclined to find me a "traditional" Summit and secure it while possible.  Haste may be a good thing -- my attempt to look at a 670 at Lowe's returned a "no longer available at Lowe's".  I could be tempted with a sale price, but frankly my upgraded Genesis with side cabinets, double tier grill and rotisserie has been so good over these years, that even a 670 almost seems a downgrade!  

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I agree with "Underthehood and Richs" assesment concerning Weber products. My own opinion is their products were diminished as far back as 2010.

I remember 98 or so when I bought my Genesis I looked long and hard at the Summit. Built like a tank, however cost diff between the Summit and Genesis was a bit more than I wanted to spend at that time after factoring in beer consumption.

Fast forward to 2010 got the green light to buy a Summit. Before my wife could change her mind I was off to the local Ace Hardware. Walked around the Summit and could not believe how cheaply made it was. Doors did not align on the cart, had hideous red flames on gas nobs etc. Leaned up against the grill and about launched it into the parking lot. Made my mind up that I would just hang onto my Genesis 3000 and continue my grill search and ultimately went in a different direction.

I am sure if you bought a Summit you would be happy with it. However there are other options at that price point that make more sense in my opinion which means absolutely nothing.


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I came across it looking at some business reports but truly I forgot where I found it. It's not truly B&D per se' but the management company that runs B&D. IIRC it may be Cerberus but I did not dig that deep. Cerberus is a company that comes in and bundles companies for the auction block. Recently 2 big names they handled were Home Depot and Chrysler (just before FIAT took it over)

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I came across some article in a chicago business report on it. However they want to strong arm me for $5 to read it.

However the snippet I could read for free said BDT Capital aquired majority ownership in 2010.

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Thanks, guys.  I thought it just happened.  I also  agree. Weber ain't what it used, for gassers anyway.  My WSM is awesome, however.

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Well, my contact with this thread appears to have been lost with the site change, but I just found it again.  Thanks for the opinions/comments.  It's actually sad to know.

OTOH, frankly I'm not likely to ever need a new grill,  My flametamers are near needing replacement, but all else on my Genesis is doing just fine.  With the reduced amount of grilling, the Genny, my wife's Q and the WSM, I have all I need though I get quite frustrated with the Q-1200 and its single loop burner.  Even after adding the second level grate it tends to get too hot.  If I can find a good replacement, you never know.

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If you need to get replacement flame tamers, go with non-oem stainless ones.  I think they reflect heat better than the porcelan coated ones and cost less than the weber porcelan ones.

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Yes, I agree.  My original flametamers in the EP-330 actually were stainless -- they lasted 5 years of year-round, multiple cooks weekly use.  The parts I'm getting are those from rcplanebuyer on eBay -- highly recommended in every forum I've seen.  For my 2011 series EP-330, the part is here:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Weber-Stainless-Steel-Flavorizer-Bars-62784-7620-/142235364224?

I sent rcplanebuyer a note to confirm the part as he does list the length at that location.  I'll update here when he does.  

Since I have some attention, I'll ask this also.  While these "flavorizor bars" were SS, the original heat deflectors (plates under the burners in these 2011 models) were porcelain.  Mine are still ok, but I want to replace them also.  (I was surprised that the ss flametamers have developed pinholes while the heat deflectors which get more grease/burned food etc. are still intact -- badly "worn", but intact.)  Any specific recommendations (other than Weber originals) or warnings?  I also asked rcplanebuyer about this, but he doesn't list them.

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Those bottom deflectors are not exposed to direct flame (as long as you keep the grill clean LOL). While the others are exposed directly to flame and potentially burn through as you have seen

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Yeah, I do keep my grill clean -- but I also am pretty cavalier about cooking fatty food (even bacon) and generally use quite a bit of olive oil.  So my grates don't stick :P but I do have the occasional flare up.  The original heat plates (deflectors) are rather rough after 5 years of this, but don't seem to be real close to burning through.  I'm mainly ordering now so that I have all the parts I expect to need for the next (at least) 5 years.  

The rcplanebuyer flametamers are already on the way after he confirmed my selection.  For the deflectors, there are basically 3 sets of SS plates -- Weber, Edgemaster and GASPRO that I'd like to get some feedback on if I can.  All are $22-25 on Amazon.  (A fourth at eBay doesn't attract me despite a lower price.).  The Weber are commonly on Amazon reviewed as "flimsy".  The others have never been reviewed and there is nothing much available with a general Google search.  I'll soon order one of these anyway and will provide a review.  

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