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Grillmark, I bring one more used grill into my yard and I think I'll be sent out to pasture! ;) I appreciate the offer, but my decision at this point is either a leftover 4 or 5 burner (my Lowes has 1 of each) or the newer 4 burner as soon as it hits the store. Being a little lame, I was hoping someone else on this forum would have the opportunity to buy one in their area first, and after using is a bit allay my fears of a significantly degraded product. I am speaking in terms of the grade of sheet metal only. I am quite impressed with the improvements to the cooking chamber as far as heat retention is concerned. Also, I can't get past those new knobs, they blow me away. As stated in my analysis, they are very solid feeling, and I believe a retrofit would be very expensive to an older model as these are not just knobs, but a total different ignition - the stems have been changed. I pulled one off the new model and old - completely different size stem. But, thanks for the offer (I'm sure it was in jest). Mike

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Gee, I thought you loved that grill! I've read most of your past posts and you've always spoke well of it, thought you were very satisfied. I understand your disappointment in the heat loss issue, but that may be worth the tradeoff for the downgraded ss components. And, the new narrower brass burners may also not be up to snuff. Perhaps the warping issue will return. Hold off on wishing riddance on your present burner, it may turn out to be the best decision. Mike

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I do love the grill and think that for the $$, it is the best value on the market. But the heat loss issue irks me. That being said, at 1000 deg. on the grates, it'll sear beef very well..

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Hey, I'm betting that even the new "sear burner" will not generate that much (or at least not much more) heat! I think that with the L-bracket bolted to the top, and the removable panels over the vents, you'll have accomplished pretty much the same heat retention as the newer models, for less money, and "tons" more ss to boot!

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Hey, I'm betting that even the new "sear burner" will not generate that much (or at least not much more) heat! I think that with the L-bracket bolted to the top, and the removable panels over the vents, you'll have accomplished pretty much the same heat retention as the newer models, for less money, and "tons" more ss to boot!

 

I'm not sure this will be true. The purpose of the sear burner is to provide extremely high heat at 2-4" above the burner to instantly "sear" the meat, fish, etc.... and vaporize any drippings before it hits the burner. Typically you will only use it for the initial 2 -3 minutes of cooking and thats it. Then you will be concerned with heat retention when you are cooking until it's finished.

 

My initial thoughts on the MM sear units were they were way underrated but it looks like they can hit around 1000 degrees which is very good for a smaller burner. That was accomplished with only 13K BTU's so I'm assuming with a 23K burner, one should easily hit 1400 degress or better. Most of the high end grills have at least a 35-38K sear burner. I really want someone to get one of these babies and report back the findings. A sear burner is a MUSH HAVE on my next grill :blink:

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Don, are these "sear" burners shaped and/or configured different than the normal burners? Not just larger BTU output? You mentioned that they reach higher temps 2-4 inches above the burner. After the initial searing of the meat, if you turn down the heat does it behave as a normal burner? In other words, are the flame holes patterned differently, or maybe more vertical than horizontal? Larger diameters to allow more volume of flame? I haven't seen one before. I guess I just assumed they were normal burners (as far as construction) with higher output. I know I am really anxious for those particular models to be available. My intent is to purchase the 4-burner which includes a sear unit. Can't wait to see the juices "vaporized"! We had snow yesterday, and temps have dropped from 60 down to the teens and low twentys over the weekend (here in Central NJ). My grill(s) are growing more feeble and quite lame about getting the steaks seared without overcooking the inside. They can't compete against these Arctic temperatures! I was almost ready to plonk down the cash on the 3 burner (just because they are in stock), but restrained the urge. I know I would regret it later. I have to be patient until the larger units hit the stores. Haven't even seen the sear units online as yet. But, like you, a sear burner is A MUST HAVE on my next grill! Have been thinking about getting out my Oxy/Acetylene welding torchs and hitting the steaks for a few seconds (hee hee). :blink: Mike

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Don, are these "sear" burners shaped and/or configured different than the normal burners? Not just larger BTU output? You mentioned that they reach higher temps 2-4 inches above the burner. After the initial searing of the meat, if you turn down the heat does it behave as a normal burner? In other words, are the flame holes patterned differently, or maybe more vertical than horizontal? Larger diameters to allow more volume of flame? I haven't seen one before. I guess I just assumed they were normal burners (as far as construction) with higher output.

 

Mike, no, they are totally different. Typically they are large IR burners that look similar to the rotis burner. Go HERE and scroll down the page. It's pictured on the left . This one from Viking is rated at 30K BTU's. Other mfg's like SureHeat also have them standard and some only use IR burners instead of regular burners. Typically one wouldn't actually "grill" on the searing section of the grill. You would sear the meat and then turn off the burner and move it to the other side of the grill where the regular burners are. On these new JA models I'm curious as to how they are set up and if they actually use a true IR burner.

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Thanks Don. I've seen those IR burners on an MHP at a local distributer, they are used for the entire grill. Salesman had told me that they were much more effective than normal burners. I didn't realize that they could be utilized for searing, but at 23k+ I imagine it should be awesome. These particular burners were only 12k (probably not meant for searing), but I can see where they lend themselves more effectively than a normal burner. Have you ever used one first hand? If they do vaporize well, they should not be so messy to keep clean, right? Speculation! I want it NOW! The anticipation is killing me! Jumping around the numerous web pages viewing all those thousands of grills is causing much chagrin at this delay. I appreciate your seemingly endless source of info on all things "grill". Mike

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Thanks Don. I've seen those IR burners on an MHP at a local distributer, they are used for the entire grill. Salesman had told me that they were much more effective than normal burners. I didn't realize that they could be utilized for searing, but at 23k+ I imagine it should be awesome. These particular burners were only 12k (probably not meant for searing), but I can see where they lend themselves more effectively than a normal burner. Have you ever used one first hand? If they do vaporize well, they should not be so messy to keep clean, right? Speculation! I want it NOW! The anticipation is killing me! Jumping around the numerous web pages viewing all those thousands of grills is causing much chagrin at this delay. I appreciate your seemingly endless source of info on all things "grill".  Mike

 

Unfortunately I've only checked them out in the store but I do know a couple folks who have used them and swear by them. The concept makes sense. If you do a search on "grillmate" on this forum you will see this is a similar design utilizing standard burners. The design is meant for flareups but the overall design is similar to an IR setup. It's a ceramic insert that will work on moust grills. It gathers and holds the heat in. As it gets up to a high temp it will actually vaporize and infuse the smoke back into the product. You are spot on with the statement about cleaning. WIth that much heat and instant vaporization of the drippings there is virtually nothing to clean up. Once the meat is sealed off from searing you can reduce the heat and cook the product to desired temp. The searing burner works in a similar fashion, albeit it's sole purpose is just to sear and not to cook. by MHP are you referring to Modern Home Products? I've never seen their grills in person but looking on their site it only looks like they use "H" style standard burners. I'd like to see the ones you are referring to, post some info if you have any on these grills.

 

Don

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"by MHP are you referring to Modern Home Products? I've never seen their grills in person but looking on their site it only looks like they use "H" style standard burners. I'd like to see the ones you are referring to, post some info if you have any on these grills."

 

Don, these burners were offered for two years by MHP, discontinued last year. However, they are now offering them once again (special order) beginning this spring. Actually, my local dealer (Dickson Supply, in Brielle, NJ) said they are available already. He has already placed his spring order (coming in next week) but did not request any of those with the IR burners. He can order one now but will have to charge $50.00 shipping. Or wait until his next order and include on that. I like them, but have definitely decided to go with the newer JA 4 burner when available. As far as the MHP, the IR units were identical to their normal line, just included IR burners instead of the H pattern standard grills. My sales rep told me they had sold about a half dozen units, which is why they are not included in this initial order of inventory - not enough interest. Given the option, I suppose I would have preferred them, seems like a much more even heat pattern, less cleanup, and more economical to burn as they hold the heat longer. But, as we know, this forum has already addressed this problem :blink: Unfortunately, he had no brochures with any info on them, but they are in the computer system of all MHP stores, so, if you have any local to your vicinity, you can stop in and they can help you with any more info. Should I come across any of my literature from the past (my dealer sends me all this on a regular basis - I purchase a lot from them for my business <unrelated to the grills> and I don't often dispose of everything), I'll scan and post for your pleasure. Mike

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Don, I received correspondence from MHP regarding their IR grills:

 

" We do currently have infrared grills in production, and you should be able to get the replacements now. I suggest speaking with our larger distributor, Dickson Supply, in Brielle. Their information is listed below. If they are for some reason unable to help you, please feel free to contact us toll-free at (888) 647-4745. Additionally, I put into the mail, the brochures that we have that regard the infrared grills at this time. Thank you for your business. GGIRB - Square Infrared Burner for WRG, WHRG, TRG, and THRG grills.

Dickson Supply

1 Union Avenue

Brielle , NJ 08730

800-456-5267

Dickson Supply

Grills, Parts, Lighting

 

Thank you for choosing Modern Home Products. -- (MHP Customer Service)"

 

This is the response to my query on obtaining the IR burners to retrofit my existing MHP (I'm thinking of retaining it as a backup/auxilary grill for those larger parties). Great company, they got back to my email question within (4) hours! When I receive the brochures, I will scan and post for your reading, or pop it in the mail if you prefer. Wish I knew that I could have been using these burners in my grill (WRG) all along. I had already replaced my "lifetime" ss burners twice in the six years I used this grill. And PAID for the replacements, unaware that I had a lifetime guarantee from MHP (through my local dealer no less!). Anyway, hope this satisfies your curiosity. Mike

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Mike, that is awesome, thanks so much for doing this. I'd really love to see their units so I'm awaiting your post with the pics. Start a new thread when you get them so it will be easier to follow. Any idea what the price is on these IR units? I'm thinking of possibly retrofitting one of my burners with an IR unit. This was discussed a year or so ago on here. I've been in touch with the guys that sell the IR units and it can be done for about $150 or so. I'd be curious what the stats are on the MHP burners and the pricing. Keep me posted, and again thanks for doing this.

 

Don

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Okay, Don. Soon as the pics arrive, I will post what info/photos I get. And yes, I'll post in a new thread - should be exciting. Mike

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Okay, Don. Soon as the pics arrive, I will post what info/photos I get. And yes, I'll post in a new thread - should be exciting. Mike

 

Great!! Thanks mike.

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