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#16 User is offline   takeahike66 

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 10:48 AM

View Postcuskit, on Jul 2 2007, 10:09 PM, said:

......

It's almost two o'clock in the morning, perhaps because I'm so tired this is all becoming confusing to me. I'd love to turn on the computer tomorrow morning and be told I'm way off with my calculations and understanding of this searing phenomenom. Aawwwwww, what the heck, they work, that's basically all I know. And after my morning cup of coffe I'm sure I'll see it exactly your way, Billy Goat. It sure is an interesting topic, and I appreciate the scientific interpretations, graphs and input from you. Good night. Mike


All of this is good from an engineering viewpoint, Too bad Eric D, is busy at work, it would be a lively debate,
:lol: :D
But I'm pragmatic, What matter is the temp at the grates, Do any of the owners of the 07 model with the side searing burner have an IR thermometer that can measure the grate temp. I can get up to 900 degrees on my main burners, JA 06 model, :rolleyes:

The Sear burner should be do better than that. I believe the right decision was made, the sear burner is defective. It should not take that long to sear a piece of meat.
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Posted 03 July 2007 - 11:49 AM

I still have not recevied replacement grill yet. The grill delivered on Sunday was damaged during delvivery and driver (to his credit) refused to give it to me.

Grill should be here in a day so and I will compare grilling times with "old" grill.

I did think that the distance from the ceramic burner to the grate was far. I have a IR burner on my Wolf range in my kitchen and it is about half the distance. Depending on the heat generate on new burner I may try to rig a lower cooking surface for the IR burner.
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Posted 03 July 2007 - 12:32 PM

View Posttakeahike66, on Jul 3 2007, 11:48 AM, said:

All of this is good from an engineering viewpoint, Too bad Eric D, is busy at work, it would be a lively debate,
:lol: :D
But I'm pragmatic, What matter is the temp at the grates, Do any of the owners of the 07 model with the side searing burner have an IR thermometer that can measure the grate temp. I can get up to 900 degrees on my main burners, JA 06 model, :rolleyes:

The Sear burner should be do better than that. I believe the right decision was made, the sear burner is defective. It should not take that long to sear a piece of meat.


I propose an experiment ...

All grill owners with a sear burner invited to participate.

1) preheat your sear burner for 5 minutes.

2) place your hand 2 inches above the sear burner and count the number of seconds before you have to remove it.

3) repeat step 2) at 5 inches and at 7 inches.

4) report data to the forum, include grill manufacturer, model year, burner size and BTU, if you have that information

I agree with take, an IR thermometer would be best ...

I'll start a new topic to solicit participants and record data.

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 02:17 PM

View PostBilly Goat, on Jul 3 2007, 01:32 PM, said:

I propose an experiment ...

All grill owners with a sear burner invited to participate.

1) preheat your sear burner for 5 minutes.

2) place your hand 2 inches above the sear burner and count the number of seconds before you have to remove it.

3) repeat step 2) at 5 inches and at 7 inches.

4) report data to the forum, include grill manufacturer, model year, burner size and BTU, if you have that information

I agree with take, an IR thermometer would be best ...

I'll start a new topic to solicit participants and record data.

Billy Goat in WV


Billy Goat: What and where do you find an IR thermometer? New to me, I'd like to get one. I will participate in you experiment, nice idea, real world facts! I'm at work, but I'll submit my specs this evening. Mike
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Posted 03 July 2007 - 08:01 PM

View PostBilly Goat, on Jul 3 2007, 12:32 PM, said:

I propose an experiment ...

All grill owners with a sear burner invited to participate.

1) preheat your sear burner for 5 minutes.

2) place your hand 2 inches above the sear burner and count the number of seconds before you have to remove it.

3) repeat step 2) at 5 inches and at 7 inches.

4) report data to the forum, include grill manufacturer, model year, burner size and BTU, if you have that information

I agree with take, an IR thermometer would be best ...

I'll start a new topic to solicit participants and record data.

Billy Goat in WV


OK, I'll bite. I was searing some pork chops tonight anyway. First of all, I have no idea if I preheated for 5 minutes, but it was at least 3 min. probably. Secondly, I didn't measure, but...

2 in. =3 seconds
5 in. =5 seconds
7 in. =8 seconds

'07 Jenn-air 4 burner

I seared the chops for 1 minute per side. Then grilled over direct heat at 400 deg. for about 6 minutes per side. I am loving this grill, as these were the best chops I've had bar none.
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Posted 03 July 2007 - 08:06 PM

View PostBilly Goat, on Jul 2 2007, 02:08 PM, said:

corvete001:

I noticed that ... the distance from the top of my sear burner to the top of the cooking grate on my '06 720-0165 is 8 cm (3 1/8").

Anyone one have an idea why the change in specs? How about ya nexgrill spy :angry: ?

Now for the grillin' physics lesson ...

'06 and '07 grills both have a 15,000 BTU sear burner.

The amount of radiation passing through a specific area is inversely proportional to the square of the distance of that area from the energy source [in this case the IR burner]. This phenomenon is called the Inverse Square Law. Using this law we can model the effect that distance traveled has on the intensity of emitted IR radiation from the ceramic burner.

The figure suggests that the intensity of radiation emitted by a body quickly diminishes with distance in a nonlinear fashion.
Attachment inversesquarelaw.gif
Mathematically, the Inverse Square Law is described by the equation:

Intensity = I/d2

where I is the intensity of the radiation at 1d (see above diagram) and d is the distance traveled.

Let us try this equation out for the '06 vs '07 JA sear burners. Lets assume that the energy reaching the meat on the '06 sear burner [at 3.125 inches burner to grate] is 10,000 units. Now, using the inverse square law, how many units of energy reaches the meat on the '07 grill, at a distance of 10 inches burner to grate? Since 1d = 3.125 inches, and 3d = (3.125)x(3) = 9.375 inches [close to 10 inches] ... let's assume that the '07 grate to burner distance on the sear burner is 3d.

Intensity = I/d^2

Intensity = 10,000/(3)^2
Intensity = 10,000/9
Intensity = 1,111 units

The calculations indicate that the energy reaching the meat on the '07 sear burner is 1/9th the amount of energy reaching the meat [1,111 units vs 10,000 units] on the '06 sear burner. It doesn't surprise me that it will take a bit longer to sear on the '07 model JA.

Billy Goat in WV



Billy - what a great use of physics!

Your illustration and discussion seem correct for a "point source" - such as the sun (at a distance) or a small lamp.

But, it seems that some additional complication is introduced by the flat source of the searing grid and the flat surface of the steak.

Please integrate all the points on your sear surface and extrapolate them to 3.8 and 10 inches and report back.

Thanks
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Posted 03 July 2007 - 08:54 PM

View Postphilkryder, on Jul 3 2007, 09:06 PM, said:

Billy - what a great use of physics!
our illustration and discussion seem correct for a "point source" - such as the sun (at a distance) or a small lamp.

But, it seems that some additional complication is introduced by the flat source of the searing grid and the flat surface of the steak.

Please integrate all the points on your sear surface and extrapolate them to 3.8 and 10 inches and report back.

Thanks
Phil


Phil ...

You are correct ... I did consider the the sear burner to be a point source [hey, I'm an analytical chemist by training ... not a physical chemist :angry: ] ...

I guess a better approach would be to calculate the radiation view factor .... toooo complex for manual calculation [at least for me, but I did find a couple of nomographs that might be applied] ...

The point I was trying to make was that the IR energy available to be absorbed by the meat is reduced as the distance from the burner increases, and that the relationship is nonlinear.

I did have another chance to look at the '07 JA sear burner tonight at Lowes. The burner dimensions appear to be smaller than the sear on my '06 JA .... and the '07 JA distance from the burner to grate is greater than the 3 1/8 inches on my '06 JA. I estimate the distance to be ~5 inches, not 10 inches as previously quoted.

Have a great 4th!

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 08:57 PM

View PostChill, on Jul 3 2007, 09:01 PM, said:

OK, I'll bite. I was searing some pork chops tonight anyway. First of all, I have no idea if I preheated for 5 minutes, but it was at least 3 min. probably. Secondly, I didn't measure, but...

2 in. =3 seconds
5 in. =5 seconds
7 in. =8 seconds

'07 Jenn-air 4 burner

I seared the chops for 1 minute per side. Then grilled over direct heat at 400 deg. for about 6 minutes per side. I am loving this grill, as these were the best chops I've had bar none.



Thanks Chill ... I'll have a chance to play with my '06 JA tomorrow.

Hey, if you get a chance, can you measure the distance from the sear burner to the grate on your grill.

Thanks,

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 09:03 PM

View Postcuskit, on Jul 3 2007, 11:17 AM, said:

Billy Goat: What and where do you find an IR thermometer? New to me, I'd like to get one. I will participate in you experiment, nice idea, real world facts! I'm at work, but I'll submit my specs this evening. Mike


Mike,

Here is a link to one that measure to 900 degree. They vary in the range, The higher the temp range, the higher the price. I was able to obtain an old one from a relative, that upgraded their unit. You can find 900-1000 degree around $50, and maybe up to 1400 degree around $70. Of course, they can cost as much as several hundred dollars. But the surface reading are instantaneous. Press the trigger and the temp reading is given instant.

http://www.maxtool.com/index/Digital_Infra...hermometers.asp

Harbor freight, northern tools, etc. tool shops, auto repairs, etc., all sell IR therometers.


Here is link to a "brand-name" unit that measure to 1400 degrees, but the cost is $100.

They are accurate to with-in +- 1 degree.
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Posted 03 July 2007 - 09:08 PM

View Postcuskit, on Jul 3 2007, 03:17 PM, said:

Billy Goat: What and where do you find an IR thermometer? New to me, I'd like to get one. I will participate in you experiment, nice idea, real world facts! I'm at work, but I'll submit my specs this evening. Mike


cuskit:

I have one I use at work .... bought it from a laboratory supply company ...

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 09:15 PM

View Posttakeahike66, on Jul 3 2007, 10:03 PM, said:

Mike,

Here is a link to one that measure to 900 degree. They vary in the range, The higher the temp range, the higher the price. I was able to obtain an old one from a relative, that upgraded their unit. You can find 900-1000 degree around $50, and maybe up to 1400 degree around $70. Of course, they can cost as much as several hundred dollars. But the surface reading are instantaneous. Press the trigger and the temp reading is given instant.

http://www.maxtool.com/index/Digital_Infra...hermometers.asp

Harbor freight, northern tools, etc. tool shops, auto repairs, etc., all sell IR therometers.
Here is link to a "brand-name" unit that measure to 1400 degrees, but the cost is $100.

They are accurate to with-in +- 1 degree.


hike: Thanks, Northern tools is one of my favorite sources for a lot of equipment, soon as I get home I'll peruse that catalogue. Not too keen on Harbor Freight, mostly Chinese low quality - hey! that's my grill source, oh ooh! Mike
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Posted 03 July 2007 - 09:18 PM

View PostBilly Goat, on Jul 3 2007, 10:08 PM, said:

cuskit:

I have one I use at work .... bought it from a laboratory supply company ...

Billy Goat in WV


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Posted 05 July 2007 - 09:41 PM

View PostBilly Goat, on Jul 2 2007, 02:08 PM, said:

corvete001:

I noticed that ... the distance from the top of my sear burner to the top of the cooking grate on my '06 720-0165 is 8 cm (3 1/8").

Anyone one have an idea why the change in specs? How about ya nexgrill spy :lol: ?

Now for the grillin' physics lesson ...

'06 and '07 grills both have a 15,000 BTU sear burner.

The amount of radiation passing through a specific area is inversely proportional to the square of the distance of that area from the energy source [in this case the IR burner]. This phenomenon is called the Inverse Square Law. Using this law we can model the effect that distance traveled has on the intensity of emitted IR radiation from the ceramic burner.

The figure suggests that the intensity of radiation emitted by a body quickly diminishes with distance in a nonlinear fashion.
Attachment inversesquarelaw.gif
Mathematically, the Inverse Square Law is described by the equation:

Intensity = I/d2

where I is the intensity of the radiation at 1d (see above diagram) and d is the distance traveled.

Let us try this equation out for the '06 vs '07 JA sear burners. Lets assume that the energy reaching the meat on the '06 sear burner [at 3.125 inches burner to grate] is 10,000 units. Now, using the inverse square law, how many units of energy reaches the meat on the '07 grill, at a distance of 10 inches burner to grate? Since 1d = 3.125 inches, and 3d = (3.125)x(3) = 9.375 inches [close to 10 inches] ... let's assume that the '07 grate to burner distance on the sear burner is 3d.

Intensity = I/d^2

Intensity = 10,000/(3)^2
Intensity = 10,000/9
Intensity = 1,111 units

The calculations indicate that the energy reaching the meat on the '07 sear burner is 1/9th the amount of energy reaching the meat [1,111 units vs 10,000 units] on the '06 sear burner. It doesn't surprise me that it will take a bit longer to sear on the '07 model JA.

Billy Goat in WV


I'm another newbie here. Just bought the JA 0337 yesterday and get it delivered Sunday! You guys in the last 3 weeks have become by AGI's (American Grilling Idols) You should get kick backs from JA as you swayed me from the Ducane at Home depot to the JA. You and the life time burner warranty. I am reading tonight to learn about using the IR burner, and now I'm getting nervous after plopping down this kind of coin for this model and see it might not sear as well as previous models. I'm hoping this not to be the case, but appreciate all the info. I too will conduct the test sometime on Sunday if I can come off my cloud after this baby arrives and I put it together. I feel like I just bought a new car and she's getting detailed. I'm a grilling novice, so I will be checking back often for more advice and lessons learned. I just hope mine works right the first go around. My wife is going to think I've having a chat room affair as much as I have been coming upstairs to read about JA's!
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Posted 06 July 2007 - 07:55 AM

Don't worry, the sear burner still works great. I like some pretty good sear marks on my food so I always leave it on for at least 90 seconds. I had two Ducane's before this one and I will tell you this grill is a huge improvement over the Ducane. The steaks have cooked to perfection. You'll be very happy with the grill.
The guy at Lowe's told me the other day that the change was because of all the problems with the Sear Burners in the 06's. This is supposed to be a better design for the burner and leaves a larger cooking surface. Who knows if he knows what he is talking about because most of these guys just BS you thinking you don't know better.
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Posted 06 July 2007 - 08:10 AM

View Postnap523, on Jul 5 2007, 10:41 PM, said:

I'm another newbie here. Just bought the JA 0337 yesterday and get it delivered Sunday! You guys in the last 3 weeks have become by AGI's (American Grilling Idols) You should get kick backs from JA as you swayed me from the Ducane at Home depot to the JA. You and the life time burner warranty. I am reading tonight to learn about using the IR burner, and now I'm getting nervous after plopping down this kind of coin for this model and see it might not sear as well as previous models. I'm hoping this not to be the case, but appreciate all the info. I too will conduct the test sometime on Sunday if I can come off my cloud after this baby arrives and I put it together. I feel like I just bought a new car and she's getting detailed. I'm a grilling novice, so I will be checking back often for more advice and lessons learned. I just hope mine works right the first go around. My wife is going to think I've having a chat room affair as much as I have been coming upstairs to read about JA's!


Nap523: Welcome to these forums! Glad to have you aboard! You should be quite satisfied with your new JA! Your problem with the sear burner will be if anything, too much heat! Don't walk away with your first steak, you'll come back to find it torched within 3-4 minutes!

Let your wife join in, she'll become just as addicted to these posts as you, many women have joined the ranks and are great contributers!

Hope all works out okay with your grill (it should, the 07's are great grills) and we'd appreciate any photos of your setup and menu items!

Great grilling! Mike
"Grill der Steaks, Smoke dem Ribs and post yer Porn"
Grill Porn that is.. Remember - No Pix, It Didn't Happen!

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