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  Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:56 PM

First post first of all. Thank you in advance for your thoughts.

So I'm a little torn between the Summit and Genesis.
I'm a non-pro griller, have no use for the side burner or rotisserie etc. Mainly making burgers, dogs/sausages, and corn on the cob. And I know that I won't have the time or inclination to start to become a pro-griller, just not in my DNA.

1st Q - Grill Size - I have a standard sized family (few kids), but we usually host our in-laws for dinner in the summer so perhaps I could use/need the extra space of the E or S620?
Or is the Genesis grill large enough for 5-6 adults and kids? What if I have a party with say 15 adults over (probably a 2x/year event)?

2nd Q - Exterior material - is the stainless tough to deal with, or does it clean up easily with the Barkeeper's Friend? Or should I stick with porcelain exterior? I've read some mixed thoughts on this, and the guy who sits next to me at work says he has a stainless grill and it stays clean since he covers it (which I would as well).

3rd Q - If I go Genesis - since I won't use the side burner - is the Sear Burner alone worth the $110 upcharge between the 310 and 330 models if I'm not a pro griller?
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:58 PM

View PostUcla95, on 24 April 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

First post first of all. Thank you in advance for your thoughts.

So I'm a little torn between the Summit and Genesis.
I'm a non-pro griller, have no use for the side burner or rotisserie etc. Mainly making burgers, dogs/sausages, and corn on the cob. And I know that I won't have the time or inclination to start to become a pro-griller, just not in my DNA.

1st Q - Grill Size - I have a standard sized family (few kids), but we usually host our in-laws for dinner in the summer so perhaps I could use/need the extra space of the E or S620?
Or is the Genesis grill large enough for 5-6 adults and kids? What if I have a party with say 15 adults over (probably a 2x/year event)?

2nd Q - Exterior material - is the stainless tough to deal with, or does it clean up easily with the Barkeeper's Friend? Or should I stick with porcelain exterior? I've read some mixed thoughts on this, and the guy who sits next to me at work says he has a stainless grill and it stays clean since he covers it (which I would as well).

3rd Q - If I go Genesis - since I won't use the side burner - is the Sear Burner alone worth the $110 upcharge between the 310 and 330 models if I'm not a pro griller?


If money isn't an issue, why not get the Summit of whatever size? It's just bigger and badder. If you like to save half the price the Genesis is just fine for fixing full meals for up to 20 people. You have to work a little, but I wouldn't pay twice the price for a couple of times a year.

As far as not getting a side burner, you could quickly learn to regret that. I did when I got my first Genesis (I was cooking the same stuff you are), but after getting the Weber which makes grilling so much more enjoyable (control, evenness, etc.), my grilling has greatly expanded and I've been wanting that side burner for more than a year. In my opinion, the $110 upcharge is well worth it for the 330 -- especially if you can also consider a Summit. $110 is trivial against the price of a Summit. Versatility in your grilling capability can NEVER be understimated. Go for the sear burner and the side burner. So what if I'm wrong and you never want the side burner?

I had a stainless grill, I kept reasonable care of it and it just plain discolored over the years. I'm not one to spend time scouring an outdoor appliance to make it look like new. I'm happy to have made the choice (twice) to go with the porcelain clad steel.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:15 AM

First as for size I think you'll be amazed on what you can accomplish on just the Genesis. I managed that way for years. It was only a few years ago when I got my little 2 burner Silver that I began utilizing more than one grill. My main reason(s) (other than capacity) for using more than one grill are 1. Flavors and 2. Timing. I.e. I don't like smoke (wood flavor) on my vegetable but I do with the meat. So if a full meal is done on the grill than veggies go on say the Genesis and the meat course on the Summit. Sometimes even desert is cooked on the grill so now it's timing + flavors. So for example I may have some nice baby backs going in the Summit, veggie course on the 2 burner Silver, and say a rotisserie sugar/spice glazed pineapple going on the genesis. Sometimes my friends laugh but not with their mouths full ;)
As for saying you just want to do basics that's what I thought. When I bought that Genesis nearly 20 years ago it opened my eyes to a whole new world of quality cooking from my old Sunbeam incinerator. I'll bet it will open yours too. So if you can swing the nut now get all the bells and whistles. Trust me you'll be glad you did.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:34 AM

I didn't think that I would use a side burner much either until I got my Summit. Now we use it at least half of the time we grill. Even if it's for something as simple as warming up a can of baked beans to go with burgers. I think that you will find that you will use your grill more and probably make the time to use options like the rotisserie. I have a feeling that after cooking on a quality grill and finding that it is easier and more fun to cook on you will use it more. I know that I do. You can't go wrong with either grill, when I was looking I definitely wanted a rotisserie and looked at the Genesis and the Summit and decided to go with the Summit, partly because I was able to find a great deal on the Summit which only ended up being a couple of hundred more than the Genesis. Also I knew that I was going to have this grill for quite awhile and did not want to have any regrets in the future that i could have got some of the bells and whistles but did not. I have used my Summit for three years so far and don't have any regrets over spending the extra money and have persuaded my dad and brother in-law to both upgrade to the same grill after seeing and using mine. As for cleaning the stainless, a little BKF keeps it looking great.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:45 AM

I have to agree that a side burner is very practical and a huge asset to grilling. Think about anything that requires lighting a stove (indoors) to heat, boil or simmer something in the summertime. You are fighting your air conditioning - causing undue heat in your kitchen when the same chore can be done outside where you are already using your grill.

I can't say how many times my side burner has been a huge "accessory" boon to my grilling. To say nothing of how much the wife appreciates my "splattering" grease frying bacon and potatoes (breakfast) on her stove is so much better when done on my side burner outside instead. I mean - after all - she's the one that has to clean up my mess! B) When she's happy - everybody's happy! :)


That's all I'm saying and I'm sticking to it! :P

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:52 AM

I agree with all of the above, the side burner and rotto might seem unnecessary today, but could be a regret tomorrow, since you will have either grill a long time I would plan for the future in both size and accessories, you never know one of the kids may take to outdoor cooking.

If you ever spin anything with that rotto you will be hooked.

Like Mike mentioned I for one am not into cooking bacon or anything that has grease or splatters on the indoor stove top, it not only gets on the stove top but the range hood and adjacent cabinets plus I'm not going to pay to cool the house then fight the AC with a range.

I don't consider myself a pro griller either, but I am an accomplished eater, if you treat your grill like an oven many things you cook wont require you to stand over the grill, like burgers and dogs do, you can make roasts, ribs, whole chickens, pizza, casseroles, anything you or the wife make in the house can be done outdoors.

In my opinion the genny is not large enough for 6 adults and 2 kids, but that is based on the fact I make a three course meal all at one time on a daily bases on the grill and serve it all at once, but if the goal is to simply stir up 20 burgers or dogs, then a spirit would do the trick.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:47 PM

I won't in any way knock a rotisserie just because I haven't used one recently -- it's always another fun way to grill! And there are too many here that I respect who advocate it for me to go against the flow. So, I'll add to my input, if you're going to get the Summit, go all the way -- get an x70 version with the roto built in. At this price level, it's just foolish to quibble.

But if you get one of the lower end Summits or the Genesis, you really don't have to even think about it. Get a roto now if you want or just hold off -- the price will be the same (unless you can make it part of a bargain with a dealer). That was my choice. The roto is going to probably cost me $70 (unless I find it on craigslist), whether I buy now or next year.

Jim made another good point which probably occurred to us all at your initial post, Ucla. None of us are "pro grillers". We've all been at it for lots of years and we all feel that since getting our Genesis or other quality grill that vast new options are available -- so we tend to grill a lot more often and grill a lot more different things. Frankly, if it comes to cooking anything, my first thought is to go to the grill -- I seldom resort to the stove inside (except recently in the sad absence of my Genny). Even if I plan to use my crock pot, I almost always sear or roast the meat and veggies first on the grill before they go in the crock pot.

And some (or all) may be like me -- I just tend to spend my life outside. Being retired, that's much easier for me than say Mikey, but even my shop has an expansive deck on which I do almost all of my sanding and carving and a lot of finish work (but never polyurethane or varnish, etc. -- clean room). Grilling is consequently so natural to me as to never have been a second thought. About 25 years ago when I was still using a cheap pan grill, a new friend commented, "Boy, you sure are the outdoor man! Everything is outdoors including cooking." I had never thought of it before and at the time I probably only grilled once a week instead of 5 or more times a week year round.

That's why anything you get up front to add to your grill cooking pleasure can be an investment that will pay off almost forever. Soon after I bought my Genesis E-310 (with no side burner), someone said I should have gotten a side burner just so I could use the charcoal starter chimney on it to get my new smoker started. DOH! :blink:

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:34 PM

I agree with Rich, if your spending it, might as well get what you want now.
Like I mentioned "i'm a pro eater" so yes sir that sear burner will come in handy, for about anything you cook hot and fast, if not for like Rich mentioned just to sear up a roast quick to cut up and put in the crock pot, the wife needs a fire roasted tomato for a sauce, I have put peppers and tomatoes right over burners on the stove top, then spent more time cleaning the range then I did roasting the tomatoes, and they are not the same in the oven as with fire on the grill.

When you clean your grill if you wipe it down with a protectant (mines SS so I use WD-40) keeping it clean is pretty easy, SS is a little harder to keep up than the coated surfaces.

And I like Rich and most of us enjoy the outdoors, with a good grill you might just take a shine to grilling and find more time for it, it does add a bit of relaxation unlike cooking indoors.

My wife even enjoys cooking on the grill over her fancy range, she gets fresh air and again is not cleaning the kitchen after dinner.

My kids each have a few friends over I just throw a pack of hot dogs and buns on the patio table and my kids take charge and grill their own, toss in a swimming pool and a bag of marshmallows and they will be outside all night :D


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:55 PM

Ucla95,

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A couple questions for you.

How many kids do you and your wife have and how old are they?

Reason I ask that is that kids grow up of course and you need to find a grill that will suit your needs today but also for tomorrow. If your kids are small like our's (my wife and I have two sons ages 4 1/2 and 2, respectively), then a Genesis should suit your needs fine. We have a 2010 Genesis EP-320 and that grill handles our needs without a problem.

Fast forward about 11 years and both boys will be in their teens. Will the Genesis still handle our needs? I doubt it! By that time I'll have to upgrade to a Summit :lol: Teenage boys just eat like you wouldn't believe. Factor in when they bring their friends over and it will be like cooking for a small army.

So it's important to base your decision not only on what your needs are today but also what your needs will be 5 or 10 years down the road as well.

That's why we ended up getting a 2010 Genesis EP-320. I knew we wouldn't need to think about upgrading for at least 10 years. I took a good look at the Spirit SP-320 but realized we would outgrow that grill in around 5 years so I passed on it.

I agree with the other folks here on getting the rotisserie, etc. You won't regret it one bit.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:06 PM

View Postrichlife, on 25 April 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

I won't in any way knock a rotisserie just because I haven't used one recently -- it's always another fun way to grill! And there are too many here that I respect who advocate it for me to go against the flow. So, I'll add to my input, if you're going to get the Summit, go all the way -- get an x70 version with the roto built in. At this price level, it's just foolish to quibble.

But if you get one of the lower end Summits or the Genesis, you really don't have to even think about it. Get a roto now if you want or just hold off -- the price will be the same (unless you can make it part of a bargain with a dealer). That was my choice. The roto is going to probably cost me $70 (unless I find it on craigslist), whether I buy now or next year.

Jim made another good point which probably occurred to us all at your initial post, Ucla. None of us are "pro grillers". We've all been at it for lots of years and we all feel that since getting our Genesis or other quality grill that vast new options are available -- so we tend to grill a lot more often and grill a lot more different things. Frankly, if it comes to cooking anything, my first thought is to go to the grill -- I seldom resort to the stove inside (except recently in the sad absence of my Genny). Even if I plan to use my crock pot, I almost always sear or roast the meat and veggies first on the grill before they go in the crock pot.

And some (or all) may be like me -- I just tend to spend my life outside. Being retired, that's much easier for me than say Mikey, but even my shop has an expansive deck on which I do almost all of my sanding and carving and a lot of finish work (but never polyurethane or varnish, etc. -- clean room). Grilling is consequently so natural to me as to never have been a second thought. About 25 years ago when I was still using a cheap pan grill, a new friend commented, "Boy, you sure are the outdoor man! Everything is outdoors including cooking." I had never thought of it before and at the time I probably only grilled once a week instead of 5 or more times a week year round.

That's why anything you get up front to add to your grill cooking pleasure can be an investment that will pay off almost forever. Soon after I bought my Genesis E-310 (with no side burner), someone said I should have gotten a side burner just so I could use the charcoal starter chimney on it to get my new smoker started. DOH! :blink:

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Rich,

Keep an eye out for end of season clearances at HD, etc. You may be able to get a Genesis roto unit for a great price. I got mine in fall 2010 when HD was having their end of grilling season clearance on selected items and I paid a grand total of $19 for a weber genesis roto unit!
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:04 AM

I know I have like two posts on this site, but thought I would chime in. It sounds like we are in a similar situation usage and family-wise, and I did end up buying a Genesis EP-310 (2011 version).

For me, the Summit series was just too expensive. Also, the extra BTUs would have me going through LP much more quickly, but the main reason was the initial price. I enjoy the fact that my LP tanks last forever on the Genesis.

I take the warming rack off the back area and there you have a nice, big, and fully accessible cooking space.

I DO wish that I had the sear burner sometimes and if I had to do it all over again, I would probably go for that option.

The side burner, on the other hand, remains what seems like a useless feature (to me). I would much rather use the extra table space for all the various things I use while cooking, so it would just get covered up anyway. I seriously still can't think of one thing I would use the side burner for.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:03 PM

View Postbamboofisher, on 25 April 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

Rich,

Keep an eye out for end of season clearances at HD, etc. You may be able to get a Genesis roto unit for a great price. I got mine in fall 2010 when HD was having their end of grilling season clearance on selected items and I paid a grand total of $19 for a weber genesis roto unit!


Wow! Thanks! I appreciate the lowball target. :P

Obviously if I haven't been using one and I have a brand new grill to learn how to play with, I should be able to wait until Fall. (sigh - wait - wait - ...)

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:19 AM

Rich - fall may sound like a long ways off - but the way time goes by as we age (who, me?) it'll be like tomorrow and fall will be here!

Yesterday I was 25 and racing around the mountain motocross tracks in Pa, today I pass my time throwing a 16 pound ball down a bowling alley. And it seems like just hours between the two periods of my life.. Sigh..


Nah! Don't wait! Get that roto NOW! The bucks saved by waiting won't make up for the lost time and enjoyment you'll lose not having a rotisserie! There's a reason Costco has a LOOOONNNNGGGG line waiting at their rotisserie chicken department - nothing beats a chicken on a spit! Okay, beer can chicken can maybe (really?) rival the results, but never the fun! It's mesmerizing to sit and watch your bird go round and round and round. Yup! I'm a genuine roto addict!

Sorry, but I've just had way too many very delicious and tasty chickens, pork roasts and tenderloins off my rotisserie. I can't imagine being without it from now until the fall. Those saved bucks meanwhile might buy me one dinner at Mickey D's and no change back. B)


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:49 PM

View Postcuskit, on 27 April 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

Rich - fall may sound like a long ways off - but the way time goes by as we age (who, me?) it'll be like tomorrow and fall will be here!

Yesterday I was 25 and racing around the mountain motocross tracks in Pa, today I pass my time throwing a 16 pound ball down a bowling alley. And it seems like just hours between the two periods of my life.. Sigh..


Nah! Don't wait! Get that roto NOW! The bucks saved by waiting won't make up for the lost time and enjoyment you'll lose not having a rotisserie! There's a reason Costco has a LOOOONNNNGGGG line waiting at their rotisserie chicken department - nothing beats a chicken on a spit! Okay, beer can chicken can maybe (really?) rival the results, but never the fun! It's mesmerizing to sit and watch your bird go round and round and round. Yup! I'm a genuine roto addict!

Sorry, but I've just had way too many very delicious and tasty chickens, pork roasts and tenderloins off my rotisserie. I can't imagine being without it from now until the fall. Those saved bucks meanwhile might buy me one dinner at Mickey D's and no change back. B)


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Mike that chicken over the veggies looks delicious. Do you put anything in with your veggies such as a liquid or just straight veggies and let them collect some of the chicken juice? I have only done that a couple of times and have always put a little beer in the bottom of the pan. It seems to work well but i am all for learning other ways to make things.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 04:51 PM

View Postcuskit, on 27 April 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

Rich - fall may sound like a long ways off - but the way time goes by as we age (who, me?) it'll be like tomorrow and fall will be here!

Yesterday I was 25 and racing around the mountain motocross tracks in Pa, today I pass my time throwing a 16 pound ball down a bowling alley. And it seems like just hours between the two periods of my life.. Sigh..


Nah! Don't wait! Get that roto NOW! The bucks saved by waiting won't make up for the lost time and enjoyment you'll lose not having a rotisserie! There's a reason Costco has a LOOOONNNNGGGG line waiting at their rotisserie chicken department - nothing beats a chicken on a spit! Okay, beer can chicken can maybe (really?) rival the results, but never the fun! It's mesmerizing to sit and watch your bird go round and round and round. Yup! I'm a genuine roto addict!

Sorry, but I've just had way too many very delicious and tasty chickens, pork roasts and tenderloins off my rotisserie. I can't imagine being without it from now until the fall. Those saved bucks meanwhile might buy me one dinner at Mickey D's and no change back. B)


Spinning Mike

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Please don't remind me how old I am, Mike. I don't know how you can handle those long hours in the shop.

That is a remarkably hungrifying picture you posted there. Now I want a rotisserie to watch even without a grill! :D :D

Rich
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